Scripture and Liturgy in the Theology of Benedict XVI
Blogged by James Preece on 2nd November 2008
Imagine... Fr Aidan Nichols talking pretty much non-stop for an hour - deep, rich, hard to follow in places. Then a man I'd never heard of, one of those speakers you sit through while you wait for Scott Hahn, but Dr Michael Waldstein turned out to be the highlight of the day. An interesting and entertaining speaker he gave an excellent talk around the themes at the recent Synod on Scripture. After the break, the man who translated the Pope's book "Jesus of Nazereth" did his thing before it all ended with the legendary Scott Hahn. His wife wasn't with him, so he was Hahn Solo.
That's four fantastic hours of speaking.. far too much for me to blog in any kind of detail, even if I dedicated a week to it. So I'm not going to blog about it in detail. I'm going to give a few thoughts.

The theme of the conference was Scripture and Liturgy in the Theology of Benedict XVI. I must confess to having been far more interested in the liturgical aspect than the scriptural. Not because scripture isn't important (it clearly is) but because I already have a wealth of resources regarding scripture but when it comes to the liturgy I feel I am only scratching the surface.
I felt that the first speaker (Fr Aidan Nichols) used very difficult theological language to express concepts that could have been explained in more straightforward language. I managed to follow a lot of what he was saying, but I found myself thinking "If that's his point, why doesn't he just say so? Why is he making this so hard?". Still, he made some good points.
One of the things I found interesting was the conflict he identified between a Christianity which is very much about individual, personal relationship with Christ and 'opposite pole' liturgical actions where we act as a group, for instance when we speak the same words or make the same gestures. I found that interesting because while it's not a tension I've ever struggled with personally (My siblings and I have a personal relationship with my Mum, but we all sing Happy Birthday together) it explains a lot about some of the things people say and do. Especially when they clamour for individual 'jobs' in the mass.
As I have said, the second talk by De Michael Waldstein was pleasant surprise and a real treat. I recorded the talks and I plan to listen back to this one especially closely (and perhaps blog on it separately). A point he made (I think it was him, the talks are all blurring in to one) is that Scripture depends on Liturgy because deciding on the Canon of Scripture was originally deciding on 'what shall we have read at mass'. The idea that the Catholic Mass can in a sense be considered the cause of the New Testament is really interesting and it means that the scriptures are primarily meant to be read at mass. Not that private reading is forbidden (far from it) but that the scriptures are most at home when they are being read at mass.
Another point I found interesting... one that is perhaps obvious to my readers. It was Adrian Walker who reminded us that the meaning of symbols is inherently a part of the symbol and not something we project on it. The example he gave was water. Water is used a symbol for life because God gave water that meaning - not because we decided like some kind of code that water would mean life. Bizarrely, I knew that already in one specific circumstance - marriage. We didn't say "How shall we describe Christ and the Church, oh, how convenient, marriage will do". Marriage has that meaning inherently and we simply discover it. Interesting how I had managed to know that for marriage (I've thought about marriage a lot) but had failed to apply the same logic to symbols we see more regularly such as water and bread and wine.
Now. Before I descend in to full on critical mode, I want to say that it was a great conference. It really really was. I got loads and loads more out of it than you can see in this blog entry. Many thoughts and puzzles I had put on the back burner to worry about again someday suddenly awakened. New puzzles and questions and challenges to face. Well worth the cost of admission, I hope they do it again.

It was a great pleasure to meet Scott who is both good humoured and one of my heroes. In fact, it is precisely because he is one of my heroes that I feel obliged to write the following. Even though it pains me to do so.
There's a very real sense in which I think this conference fell short of what it could have been. Not to say that it wasn't excellent, it was, but something was missing for me: Practicality.
I remember a time when I was really struggling with questions about the Catholic faith, specifically questions from evangelical Christians. I remember having questions about the authority of the Pope vs the authority of Scripture. Questions about the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist and the meaning of human sexuality. I remember looking within the Catholic Church in England and Wales and finding nothing. Most people I asked were not particularly interested, some simply reassured me that God would love me whatever I believe (which is true, but not helpful) and some even went to far as to say that (especially when it came to contraception) that other Christian denominations had it right and hopefully the Church will change to match them soon.
While the Catholics I knew were busy taking a pluralistic view (one type of Christianity is as good as any other) guys like Scott Hahn took a very different view. Scott Hahn has been a no-nonsense voice of reason. A valiant warrior on the side of a truly Catholic way of reading scripture. Biblical apologetics used reason, logic and evidence to give explanations for beliefs and demonstrated why some theological views are incorrect and others are true.
In the programme for the conference Stratford Caldecott, who chaired the conference, refers to "the tragic mistakes that have been made in the course of liturgical reform in the last forty years". It was very much my hope that at this conference these tragic mistakes might be identified, the reasons for the mistakes found and remedies suggested. Especially since the conference title ends 'in the Theology of Benedict XVI'. Pope Benedict's 'reform of the reform' has been intensely practical - changes in the style of vestments, arrangement of the altar, methods of receiving communion etc.
When during the Q&A I asked for practical suggestions, the panel deferred to a priest who gave an immensely unsatisfactory answer. Only when somebody else asked a similar question did the panel get involved and then I was immensely disappointed to hear Scott Hahn of all people say that if there's one thing he knows about arguments over the liturgy it's that he doesn't get involved. He spoke of having been to many kinds of masses (guitar masses, high masses, low masses, Latin masses, English masses, etc) and then said that the differences really don't matter. What's important is that at mass we are transported, really, to heaven.
[Update: In fairness to Scott, he didn't say they don't matter (see the comments below). He was unwilling to enter in to discussion about the differences and I took my trademark sloppy paraphrasing too far.]
Can you imagine asking Scott Hahn for practical suggestions on reading the Bible and him saying "I've read the Bible in English, Greek and Latin. I've used the historic critical method and the literal method, I've used the NIV, New Jerusalem, Douay Rheims and King James versions. They are all the same - What is important is that it's the Word of God"? I can't.
I'm sure Scott would feel able to say something about the pros and cons of reading the Bible in the original Greek. I'm sure he would have something to say about the relative merits of the NIV and King James bible translations. I know he would have something to tell me about the historical critical method of reading scripture.
So why the stonewalling when it comes to the liturgy? Why the pluralistic "it's all good" claim when Benedict XVI clearly doesn't think it's all the same. Benedict XVI clearly thinks that some things are a mistake and others are not. When the conferences own programme refers to "the tragic mistakes that have been made in the course of liturgical reform in the last forty years"?
It is absurd to speak of 'tragic mistakes' and then to dodge questions about what is a mistake.
My guess (and it's only a guess) is that there's a political motivation to the silence. Perhaps a desire not to upset the Bishop's Conference and to remain mainstream. Speaking out in favour of Pope Benedict's practice of giving communion only on the tongue to those kneeling would be a very good way to lose friends. I don't know that this is the case but it certainly seems plausible.
Pope Benedict's theology on the liturgy has real practical liturgical consequences...
If this book were to encourage, in a new way, something like a "liturgical movement", a toward the liturgy and toward the right way of celebrating the liturgy, inwardly and outwardly, then the intention that inspired it's writing would be richly fulfilled.
Joseph Ratzinger
Preface to The Spirit of the Liturgy
August 28, 1999
In the programme for the conference, Stratford Caldecott writes: "our gathering today in Oxford may be taken to mark another turning point - the coming of age and flowing together of the Liturgical movement with the Biblical movement in the Catholic Church".
But I simply cannot see how a liturgical movement can be truly said to have 'come of age' so long as it remains paralysed, unable to say with any clarity what a 'right way of celebrating the liturgy' even is, let alone how to start moving toward it.
I hope and pray and look forward with great joy to the day when the intention that inspired Pope Benedict's writing is richly fulfilled.
Yesterday was a good start, but we (just because I'm not a priest or internationally renowned author doesn't mean I can't be part of a liturgical movement) need to do better.
















Reader Comments
Matthew Doyle said...
A good resumé. I didn't expect any more than was offered. This was a novus ordo affair - and as such will always distance itself from traditionalism. With regards to Scott Hahn, he had a very close contemporary who experienced a similar conversion. He later came to realise the liturgy needed to be more reverent after experiencing the horrific World Youth Day (1993, Denver). His name is Gerry Matatics, was a good friend of Scott's, and has since gone onto prescribe to what can only be described as schismatic sedevacantism. Coupled with Dr Hahn's background of free-and-easy worship, Scott has reason to be cautious about Traditionalism. Unfortunately nothing can be so divisive, so you can hardly blame him.
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Scott Hahn said...
Dear James,
It was good to meet you this weekend and a joy to read your coverage
of the conference. Thanks for your kind words.
I'm sorry my take on liturgical questions disappointed you. You
didn't quite do it justice on your blog, however. I did say I usually
stay out of the arguments. But I didn't say that they "really don't
matter." What's paramount is that the Mass is heaven on earth. From
that, much more should follow, regarding art and music and
architecture and decoration and dress and comportment. Still, I do
tend to leave those discussions to others, partly for personal
reasons of my own interior life, but also because I recognize the
limits of my expertise.
I look forward to the next time we meet. It's your turn to visit here!
Omnia in bonum ...
Scott
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Ben Whitworth said...
I'm sorry that they didn't address the question of the reform of the reform satisfactorily on the day, but several of the people involved have produced books on the liturgy that do work out the practical implications of what one might call a Ratzingerian theology of the liturgy. I'm thinking of 'Looking at Liturgy' by Fr Aidan, and 'Beyond the Prosaic', edited by Strat Caldecott. Well worth reading.
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berenike said...
SCOTT HAHN JUST WROTE ON YOUR BLOG!
I want your signature. A blogger with a comment by Scott Hahn.
Aidan Nicholls is widely known to suffer from two potentially debilitating conditions(scribal diarrhoea, and academitis.) which produce the effect you describe. He is battling bravely, but the quantity of prose that continues to pour forth under his name, and the characteristic which you have identified ("he could have said that in an eighth of the words, and they could have had half of the syllables") suggests that the diseases may be winning. A very sad thing to happen to a good man.
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berenike said...
I am glad to see though that Dr Waldstein has moved on from writing lectures by running Find through a lot of JP II and St Thomas, cutting and pasting, then reading the five pages of quotes in a meaningful way at his students :-D I am tres interested to hear about his lecture, and your opinion of it!
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Francis said...
I think you should expect to be exposed to some technical language at a conference of this sort. I was actually struck by the concision with which Aidan Nichols covered so much ground. It was the best presentation of the day.
Also, the "priest who gave an immensely unsatisfactory answer" was not a priest, but Dr Alcuin Reid - a deacon. I heard your question, and forgive me for saying it, but it was a bit out of place at a conference entitled "Scripture and Liturgy in the Theology of Benedict XVI".
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James said...
Given that Pope Benedict has recently (on account of his Scriptural and Liturgical theological ideas):
- Significantly changed the arrangement of the altar at papal masses.
- Begun giving communion only on the tongue to people who are kneeling.
- Started saying the Lords Prayer and giving blessings in Latin
- Began to use a significantly different style of vestments to his predecessor
- See the 'New Liturgical Movement' blog for many more.
I don't think it's particularly out of place to ask for comments on practical matters such at these at a conference entitled "Scripture and Liturgy in the Theology of Benedict XVI". Pope Benedict's theology clearly has practical implications.
What is 'a bit out of place' is a deacon who isn't even one of the speakers suddenly popping out of nowhere at the last moment to field any questions that the speakers for some reason or another cannot be seen to have an opinion on.
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Francis said...
I'm a bit surprised at the complaint. You asked a panel of theologians - none of whom were talking about rubrics - for suggestions on how to re-order your parish liturgy, and were offered an answer by the editor of Fortescue's Ceremonies of the Roman Rite Described. Most people would be quite pleased with that outcome!
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James said...
I'm not sure why you would be surprised that a person would go to a conference with the word 'liturgy' in the title and have some hope that the conference might touch on some of the practicalities of liturgy.
Especially as Benedict XVI (whose name is also in the title of the conference) has been setting all kinds of examples lately and I know that many clergy and laity alike are beginning to talk about his motives and consider the practicalities of following his example.
I don't think it was particularly silly of me to think that the conference might touch on this highly relevant topic which has been the subject of much discussion recently, including an article by Dr Reid himself in the Catholic Herald.
He wrote:
Here in England those few priests with the courage to take Cardinal Ratzinger’s words seriously and return to the use of what we call "the high altar" in their churches have been misunderstood or even ridiculed by clergy and laity. Some have been upbraided for doing so by their superiors. [link]
All I wanted to know is what, practically, would Pope Benedict like priests to be doing and how do we help them to do it without being misunderstood and ridiculed.
Perhaps I phrased my question badly, but I didn't find the answer given by the editor of Fortescue's Ceremonies of the Roman Rite Described to be particularly satisfying.
For the record: I thought it was an excellent conference at which I heard four excellent speakers give four excellent talks. It was well worth every penny of the price of admission which for a young family like ours was a lot of money. I've nothing against Dr Alcuin Reid. In fact (based on what Google tells me he has written elsewhere) he seems like a thoroughly decent man with some very good things to say.
I am simply expressing my disappointment that something I thought was an important thing to talk about didn't get covered.
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Stratford Caldecott said...
Well, mind if I wade in too? I am glad you enjoyed it and apologise for any shortcomings. Of course we would have preferred to offer the conference for free, but we weren't able to do that, and I am just glad people felt it was worthwhile. I deliberately steered away from the practical questions several people wanted to address because I knew we had no time to deal with them adequately - that would have been a different conference (maybe there is a need for one - if so someone else can organise it!), and I wanted to concentrate on the main theme, which is roughly what Scott says above, with the added dimension contributed by Michael Waldstein, namely the report on the Synod in Rome about Scripture. It was particularly the relationship of Scripture to Liturgy that we were trying to focus on here, and at a theological level. Father Aidan's talk was by far the most academic, but he did provide a necessary grounding, linking Ratzinger to Guardini. Alcuin was a last-minute addition, I admit, but he is an important figure and we were pleased to get him. Some of you might be interested in the new journal he and Laurence Hemming are getting started, called Usus Antiquior (http://www.ususantiquior.net/). Please also stay in touch through secondspring.co.uk, especially the Mystagogy and Liturgy section. Thanks to everyone who came on Saturday.
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