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Liturgical Entertainment
Blogged by James Preece on 9th July 2010
Fr Ray Blake has the latest on what will be going on at Hyde Park...
The Park [Hyde Park] will open from 2pm and liturgical entertainment will be running through the afternoon - dance acts, videos etc (it promises to be an enjoyable event). The Pope will arrive to conclude the prayer vigil and benediction and the whole event will be finished by 9.00pm. I am told that the Pope will be there for the latter half of the event.
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"liturgical entertainment"
They might as well say "Pope Benedict will arrive and we will all spit in his face.
Here are Pope Benedict's views as laid out in his excellent book Spirit of the Liturgy...
"Wherever applause breaks out in the liturgy because of some human achievement, it is a sure sign that the essence of liturgy has totally disappeared and been replaced by a kind of religious entertainment."
Yet religious "liturgical entertainment" is exactly what they are choosing the greet the Pope with!
As it happens, I have access to an exclusive photographs of the rehearsals for this liturgical entertainment which took place in Lourdes earlier this year...
I assume it's a photo of some kind of entertainment because it can't be Mass can it? I mean - Archbishop Vincent Nichols would never use communion bowls that directly contradict the instruction from Rome?
For his next trick he makes three Oratorians reappear...
Then there's this..
I also heard a rumour that the Catholic Education Service will be involved but it is only something I picked up when I overheard a conversation.
Something about them being a load of clowns...
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Ted said...
Aloysius's comments about an embarrassing set up would seem prescient. Perhaps some crack troupe of liturgical dancers have been drafted in as a support act for benediction?
Where the heck did things go so badly wrong that we end up with this tripe being proposed by the organisers? Have they no shame at all? Actually I think I know the answer to that question and it must be no as otherwise they would relocate to another "faith brand" more in keeping with their tastes.
This is the successor of St Peter coming - not party in the Park revisited.
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Angstridden said...
Our Parish Priest is teetering on the edge of going into hiding until the Holy Father's visit is over.
The poor fellows have to find a way of distributing amongst their parishioners the very few places each parish has been allocated for the ....whatever it is at Hyde Park and the Beatification Mass.
There are still lots of question marks about travel arrangements etc. and 'donations' are required from the successful 'pilgrims'.
Priests were informed that they could request one of 1000 places to concelebrate at the Beatification Mass (but only if they take up one of the allocated places for their parish), and then reminded that 'It is a Sunday morning.' (In other words: you probably won't be able to go anyway.)
So it looks like most of the nation's priests will (quite properly) be staying in their parishes to look after the Sunday obligation needs of the majority of the Faithful, and most of the Faithful will have to join them and take up the 'give us your money, but stay at home and watch it on telly' option.
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Frank said...
You know anyone who really NEEDS tickets? Just asking, as the two parishes of my pp, with combined Mass count of 155, have been allotted 18 places for B'ham - yes, 18 and we're some 70 miles away. And any number more for Hyde Park, even further.
Now if we were a progressive bunch, busting with youth, vigour and piety, we might fill half those. As it is we are in a rural area in a country-style diocese and no employment. So the parish is "retired" for the most part. The visible congregation is 70% over 70? The youth are all but two of them under 12, and seem to have only Mothers who are Catholic Mass-goers. Does anyone think they'll be taking their children on an overnight trip to see a far distant figure who speaks difficult-to-understand English?
I know one devout lad of 17, just leaving school who's going as the parish nominee - ie, we're paying for him. I doubt if he'll have the advantage of a chum to accompany him.
Angstridden, if you want to go, it ought not to be difficult to arrange.
With my personal health record, I know I would only be a liability at such an event. There comes a time when a man must recognise his limitations.
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santa anna said...
STOP PRESS!
I attended a meeting this evening at which His Grace assured us that there will be "plenty of places", both in Hyde Park and at the beatification Mass in Birmingham. Appraently the details of how to obtain tickets is "on your parish priest's desk".
So we can stop worrying.
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Hestor said...
It's almost as if Cormac is still in charge...
A nightmare all over again.
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Liberal Traditionalist said...
This reminds me of the woeful Yoof celebration when J-P II came to Edinburgh - full of teenage kids doing football chants all being egged-on by the Bishops.
Angstridden, who's your PP that's going into hiding? If he's taking bookings for a cross-channel trip on the parish minibus, let me know.
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epsilon said...
JPII Edinburgh
teenage kids doing football chants
this time it will be inju5tice - being egged-on by the Bishops!!
Archbishop Nichols - sort your church out - or we'll have to sort it out for you - we've had enough!
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epsilon said...
send a message to the local youth ministries asking them if they know that their local schools in Liverpool, East Anglia and Hallam are actively promoting homosexuality to Catholic schoolchildren in lesson-time, and if they also might have any notion that this is in fact contrary to the basic teaching of the Catholic Church as we now know there is a high chance these youth ministers don't actually know this themselves.
It's easy to send a message on Facebook
ani mate youth ministry in Liverpool
Anyone know how to contact Wayne Rooney - maybe he might step out and tell the Archbishop of Liverpool to tend to the souls of his young flock?
Oh, you have to download a “parental consent form” before you can attend the East Anglia Catholic Diocesan Youth Service’s “The Big One” day today, 11th July 2010 if you’re a young person of secondary school age! Fancy that, I wonder if the secondary schoolchildren at St John Fisher will have to produce a parental consent form to attend the Inju5tice boyband session
the following day, Monday, 12th July 2010 at 12pm so the headteacher can share the blame with the parents for mis-educating them in their Catholic Faith?
This is as far as you can get with Hallam Diocese youth ministry - it goes straight to Eccleston Square – the more you dig the deeper the cesspool!
See also James Preece’s blog posting of 30th June 2010
He predicted this sort of thing!
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epsilon said...
The East Anglia Diocesan Youth link should work but it doesn't seem to above
here it is
http://www.catholiceastanglia.org/youth/?module=calendar&calendar[view]=event&id=47
Here's the main one:
http://www.catholiceastanglia.org/main
The event is billed as
The Big One - Youth Event
click on that (to the right of 15th Sunday in ordinary time)
BTW James other posting I was referring to was 22nd and not 30th June 2010
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Ted said...
Archbishop Nichols is sorting out his church just the way he wants it. What is happening is not happening because Nichols and others oppose it. It is happening because this is what they want.
Anyone in Holy orders who opposes can expect a spell of indefinite prayer/retirement to be winging in their direction. The laity will be left to the civil authorities to deal with (and don’t expect the Bishops Conference to ride to your rescue like the US Cavalry).
Not to keen on compliance with SORs and just been hit with threat of hefty financial penalty? Want to try defending yourself on grounds of conscience? Too late - you can’t. Guess who put up such a valiant defence of your rights (and those of the children who were with the Catholic adoption agencies)? Well, it sure as heck was not the Church militantly liberal.
To put our problems into context, Archbishop Fisichella opens a false dubium on abortion (that remains open as no one has quite got round to closing it) whilst at the Pontifical Academy of Life and then secures promotion to head the new Pontifical Council for New Evangelisation. http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/jul/09070106.html http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=37190&wf=rsscol
Wipe your feet on Humanae Vitae and you get promoted and the chap who defends it gets put out to pasture. If he managed dubium on abortion at the Pontifical Academy for Life, just think what fun Rino will have with evangelisation…
A quick look at the Oratory 3 and the Recife/ Fisichella case show an interesting similarity. Speak out and defend the teachings of the church? Well me old son looks like the time has come for you to retire/ go away and pray indefinitely as you really don’t have the big tent church vision thing.
Whilst not a word one bandies around lightly, what we have is schism with institutions of Holy Mother Church being subverted. The Oratory 3, Fisichella, the CES, Inju5tice performing in Catholic schools, liturgical dancing and poor quality earthenware are all just symptoms.
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epsilon said...
"Archbishop Nichols is sorting out his church just the way he wants it. What is happening is not happening because Nichols and others oppose it. It is happening because this is what they want."
Don't we know it, Ted! Do they think all of us lay Catholics are stupid??
Do they really think we are going to stand for any more of it?
I for one am not!
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Ted said...
Yes, they do think we are stupid. They have also been playing a good long game that leaves us as the schismatics in the eyes of the big tent church.
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Ben Trovato said...
Our second, Bernie, is going to this shindig. So there will be at least one Catholic praying for the Holy Father.
Even this shambles can be sanctified if those who go offer it up...
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Sarah said...
So the circus is coming to town...
I would really like to know who the Ringmaster is.
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epsilon said...
Inju5tice are a very real possibility - ask the headteachers at St John Fisher, Cardinal Heenan and St Bernards schools!
They're on Inju5tice's tour list - check out my post for further details
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epsilon said...
Why would someone on a Catholic and Loving It website boo me for agreeing with JP's approach of telling it like it is - just check out what's going on!!
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Sarah said...
Totally shocked and horrified. And confused at my shock and horror because this should not come as a surprise, in fact it is a logical outcome of the Bishop's equality & diversity document.
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epsilon said...
We don't need to worry about any anti-pope demonstrations at Hyde Park -
there are plenty in the Church who have been working behind the scenes to prepare the Catholic schoolchildren with little Inju5tice ditties and suchlike to perform at the liturgical event.
I was listening to Gabriel Radio today and someone mentioned something about Pope Paul being asked what would he do if The Vatican was taken over by communists - he evidently replied "I'd say Mass"
Maybe that's the answer (lightbulb) - let's have Mass instead at Hyde Park!
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Catholic with Attitude said...
I'm hoping the "Liturgical" part has been used to mean "religious" in which case there maybe different youth groups performing on the stage, perhaps dramatising the Gospel or perhaps some more contemporary Christian music, none of which I object to necessarily. My problem is when it comes into the Mass and by the sounds of it Mass isn't happening at Hyde Park so I think we ought to be careful before we all get hyped up over potentially nothing. Everything is passed by Mgr. Marini I believe and he has just come and gone from visiting the sites to be used and I imagine he has been informed of what will be happening in each venue. He's a wise man; if there was anything untoward then he'll have flagged it up.
I'll want to be keeping an eye on the actual Masses he celebrates rather than place too much emphasis on the Hyde Park event, despite it probably being the biggest this end of the country. There is a description of what will happen on the Papal Visit website at this link: http://www.thepapalvisit.org.uk/2010-Visit/Itinerary/18-September-2010/Hyde-Park2/The-Hyde-Park-Vigil
By the looks of it, it's going to be similar to what I experienced at World Youth Day in Australia which actually was quite moving. Yes there was dancing but not in front of the Blessed Sacrament. In fact, a deep silence fell upon the half a million gathered. Lets hope that occurs in Hyde Park.
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zosia said...
Hey
I dont know exactly what is going on, but I have seen a few mentions to EA and their youth service. I personally know some of the youth service team in EA, infact I was speaking to some of them yesterday after an ordination (Bishop Michael in a loving caring Bishop), and I know that they want the nest for the youth of the diocese. They are lovely people who care considerably for the youth of the area.
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epsilon said...
zosia - if the youth service in East Anglia want the best for the youth of the diocese get them to find out why the headteacher / governors / chaplain of St John Fisher in Peterborough see fit to expose 11 to 18 year old girls and boys to the new indoctrination being foisted on kids from all angles, and better still prevent it from happening tomorrow at 12pm.
I have seen, first-hand, girls in a non-religious school going loopy over 5 boys on a stage in the school hall and my heart goes out to them because when they went home to dream about these young men, like all the teenagers who ever saw a pop band, their hopes will have been dashed. Why? - because these young men like to talk about their favourite underpants and what men they would like to date.
Separate at all from whether it is a Catholic school or not, no-one has a right to mess with young people's minds. The boys are just as vulnerable - do they not have enough question marks above their heads about their sexuality from the media, without it being dished up to them in school time as well?
On a purely human level, it makes me weep, what our society is doing to young people these days.
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victor said...
I don't know if you guys have them over there, but here in the States, especially at places that serve barbequed ribs and other messy foods, they set those finger bowls out on the table so you can wash your fingers after you eat.
So it looks like that's what those are.
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Ted said...
Well, the Sacrifice of Calvary is a bit frightening and big so we thought that to make the Mass more modern, relevant and youth orientated we would treat it more like a large and diverse family picnic/barbecue where everyone could join in...
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Mena said...
I have just viewed this blog, belatedly, and I cannot believe that anyone who understands the mysteries of the Mass, would take a photograph, at its most sacred moment, and turn it into a comic strip.
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James said...
I cannot believe that anyone who understands the mysteries of the Mass would use earthenware communion bowls in direct violation of instructions from Rome.
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