Catholic and Loving it!

  • Home
  • Archive
  • Links
  • RSS Subscribe

Ella and James Preece are a Catholic couple living in Kingston Upon Hull in Yorkshire in the UK. This is our blog.

  • ella@lovingit.co.uk
  • james@lovingit.co.uk
  • RSS Subscribe
  • Email Updates

sprites header-background page-background sidebar-backgrounds body-background footer-background-repeater

What do Catholics believe?

God so loved the world that he gave his only son...

Pope Benedict Visit

The UNOFFICIAL Website of the Papal Visit

Items Tagged With: Tradition

Wednesday 17 Jun 2009

What is a traditional Catholic?

Blogged by James Preece 1 Year ago...

Jackie Parkes has been getting a bit frustrated recently with people defining themselves as "traditional Catholics", not because she objects to traditional Catholicism, but because she objects to the idea that traditional Catholicism is some kind of specialisation and the implication that because she goes to an ordinary Mass, therefore she is not traditional (see here and here).

As she says...

As far as we were aware it was always traditional to go to Sunday Mass.

Are these kinds of different Masses? Is it better to go to one? Does it make you a 'Traditional' Catholic?

Is there anywhere in the Cathechism or some other document that describes how & if you are a traditionalist?

I've been Catholic for 46 years of course I'm Traditional.

Attending these Trad events doesn't make you anymore Traditional!

What are you if you don't go to a Trad Mass? Liberal? Non-Traditional? Non-Catholic? Not so good Catholic? Crap Catholic? New Rite Catholic? English/Irish Catholic? Basic Catholic? Uneducated Catholic? Roman Catholic? Follower of the Pope Catholic? Boring catholic? Sorry I think that was the Trad one!

I think we need to make a distinction between "traditional" and "traditionalist".

The traditional Catholic holds on to what is good until it gets old. The traditionalist Catholic holds on to what is old, whether it turns out to be good or not. All Catholics ought to do the former, while the latter seems a bit risky to me.

I'm not a huge fan of sort of Catholic whose arguments consist of shreiking incredulously "but its the twenty-first century!" either (you know who you are).

Traditionalists and Modernists both make the same error, they say "everything old is good" or "everything new is good".

Update:

Apologies to anybody who is just very traditional but feels accused of being a traditionalist. That wasn't my intention.

I just wanted to add that I like Ben Trovato's explanation below..

I refer to myself as a traditional Catholic as a shorthand way of saying:

1) that I believe all that the Church teaches even the difficult bits, as opposed to 'cafeteria' or 'liberal' Catholics; and

2) that I prefer the traditional forms of worship, and displaying reverence, as opposed to the modern, informal, 'happy clappy' or 'charismatic' approaches.

I would like it if saying 'I am a Roman Catholic' conveyed all that; but alas it no longer does.

That pretty much sums up what I mean by it as well.

Update:

I think I got this blog entry wrong. I have posted a correction here.

Rate this blogentry:+-

37 comments

Tweet This Share via Facebook Bookmark with del.icio.us Post to digg Subscribe By RSS


Year for Priests

Recent Comments

victor

Tweren't nothing -- your marriage is worth more than a bazillion songs! And I'm really glad you both appreciated it....

Sarah

How lovely. Wishing you many more happy, holy and healthy years together.

Yorkmum

Wishing you a happy holy, wedding anniversary.As it happens the Eremite and I share an anniversary with you... 16 years for us today.

Ella

The song was great - I loved the catechism reference!

Ella

Congratulations anniversary buddies!16 years - now that is worth celebrating!

When someone gives you a gift reply with Thank You Cards. When our Father God gives you a gift reply by living through his will. And acting with kindness and love.

Ceramic Wedding Band

To the Blessed Virgin Prayer for England

O Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God and our most gentle Queen and Mother, look down in mercy upon England thy "Dowry" and upon us all who greatly hope and trust in thee.

By thee it was that Jesus our Saviour and our hope was given unto the world; and He has given thee to us that we might hope still more.

Plead for us thy children, whom thou didst receive and accept at the foot of the cross.

O sorrowful Mother! intercede for our separated brethren, that with us in the one true fold they may be united to the supreme Shepherd, the Vicar of thy Son.

Pray for us all, dear Mother, that by faith fruitful in good works we may all deserve to see and praise God, together with thee, in our heavenly home.

Amen.

Couple's Prayer

O God, our heavenly Father, protect and bless us. Deepen and strengthen our love for each other day by day.

Grant that by thy mercy, neither of us may ever say one unkind word to the other. Forgive and correct our faults, and make us constantly to forgive one another should one of us unconsciously hurt the other.

Make us and keep us sound and well in body, alert in mind, tender in heart, and devout in spirit. O Lord, grant us each to rise to the other's best. Then, we pray thee, add to our common life such virtues as only thou canst give.

And so, O Father, consecrate our life and love completely to thy worship, and to the service of all about us, especially those whom thou hast appointed us to serve, that we may always stand before thee in happiness and peace; through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Amen.

Babies Bedtime Prayer

Father, thankyou for all the good things that have happened to me today.

Thankyou for keeping me safe and well, thankyou for fun and laughter with my friends, thank you for what I have learned, thank you for all those that I love.

Help us all to sleep soundly tonight.

Amen.

Tag Cloud

  • Abortion
  • Ad Orientem
  • Advent
  • Advent Calendar
  • All That I Am
  • Archbishop Vincent Nichols
  • Art
  • B3ta
  • Babies
  • Bishop Patrick O'Donoghue
  • Bishop Terence Drainey
  • Cakes
  • Cartoons
  • Catholic Education Services
  • Catholic Schools
  • Catholic Youth Work
  • Christmas
  • Clerical Abuse
  • Comics
  • Condoms
  • Confession
  • Connexions
  • Contraception
  • Creation
  • CYMFed
  • Death
  • Digital Things
  • Evangelisation
  • Flash Games
  • Fr Patrick Day
  • Fr William Massie
  • Fun
  • Fundraising
  • GK Chesterton
  • Gregorian Chant
  • History
  • Holiness
  • Humanae Vitae
  • Jack Valero
  • Joanna Bogle
  • Last Supper
  • Latin
  • Lego
  • Lent
  • Leona
  • Liturgy
  • LiveChastely
  • Mark Shea
  • Marriage
  • Marriage and Family Life
  • Marriage Care
  • Married Love
  • Mary Symbol of the Church
  • Middlesbrough Cathedral
  • Middlesbrough Diocese
  • Music
  • National Youth Sunday
  • Oona Stannard
  • Optical Illusions
  • Papal Visit
  • Pope Benedict XVI
  • Prayer
  • Puns
  • Reredos
  • Richard Dawkins
  • Sacraments
  • Sacraments and Sacramentality
  • Saint Marys College Hull
  • Sex Education
  • Sign of the Cross
  • Suffering
  • Terry Prendergast
  • The Big Questions
  • The Tablet
  • Traditionalists
  • Vocations
  • Who do you say I am?
  • Why Bother
  • World Youth Day
  • York
  • Youth Sunday
  • YouTube

Saint Michael - Pray For Us!

Saint Mary - Pray For Us!

We Love Teh Berfs! We Love Teh Little Lambses!

GK Chesterton!

We Love Popple!

Saint Claire of Assisi - Pray For Us! Saint Francis of Assisi - Pray For Us!

We Love Zelda!

St Jerome - Pray For Us!